http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cache_on_a_stick. This project was … I am wondering if there are any other good ways to work with external memory. Become a member to follow this project and never miss any updates, About Us Library for I2C Communication with external EEPROMs: SparkFun Qwiic OpenLog: Library for the SparkFun Qwiic OpenLog: SPIExtension: SPI extension/wrapper for Arduino : SPIFlash_LowPowerLab: Simple Arduino library for SPI flash memory chips: SPIMemory: SPI Memory library for Arduino. For the money and the hassle you’d just buy the right chip in the first place. Hi, dmitry the external RAM could be mapped like native ram, and use malloc or free functions?. This is why people tend to pair a Linux device with an MCU (like a Pi and an Arduino). So, why go through all the effort of officially designing something and coding in official support when most people wouldn’t buy the board? I’ve used the TiVA (same renamed chip as the stellaris launchpad) and its great because you can setup an ADC sequence that automatically samples periodically and copies the results to memory with DMA. 1x MCP23008 I/O Expander from Adafruit. But just about nobody connects RAM chips up to MCUs, it’s the opposite way of thinking. Sure people will continue to hack on it but anyone starting from scratch will be much better served by more modern architectures like ARM. Why not have the arduino page the memory so that it can get EVEN MORE than 32k? Wait, let me get this strait. That’s 62 times the Arduino’s built-in storage! By the way you can get some very powerful ARM and MIPS processors that will blow away any atmega chip and will fit into the same form factor. 04/28/2017 at 15:18. > Can they even run at speeds below 600MHz or so? Then there are any of the Arduino "compatible" boards with an ARM on board. and there isnt another easy way to get 16MB of ram attached to an AVR easily Also timings are not very critical (e.g. Yep! The library includes device drivers for SPI SRAM (23LC512/1024), 2-Wire EEPROM (AT24CXX) and internal EEPROM. Debian, Android, Ubuntu, and many more Linux distros supported by a large community. Auto refresh cycles still needs the clock. The arduino due has plenty of IO for interfacing. An Arduino UNO Flash and RAM update with the ATmega2560 as DIL 28 variant. Too dense pins maybe? For CH552, the internal one is only 256 bytes, and the external one is 1024 bytes. the linked linux project uses the original code that is the inspiration for the ASM version you see here. By using our website and services, you expressly agree to the placement of our performance, functionality and advertising cookies. Get a load of this guy. i thought the teensy 3.1 was pretty beefy (75mhz + 64kb ram). Hardware Unknown has added a new project titled IKEA Bekant Desk Automater. Needing 130-odd pins wiring up is probably a hindrance to the hobbyist market, and the borderline-magickal routing requirements. A parallel RAM shield would be much, MUCH faster than SPI or any serial. A quick (shaky) video is embedded after the break. And, I think, the extarnal RAM access time must be less then 30 ns to use no wait state operations on 16MHz clock (which in any case are 30% slower then operations with an internal SRAM). Don’t let me stop you from trying to turn the earth backwards, But here’s a chisel and a big lump of rock, now go make a better wheel or something…. h4rdc0der has updated the log for PelletMon. So, for 16MByte, in fact this is cheaper? For 256 or 512K of SRAM there’s better options now. Well, there’s the latest STM F4 Discovery board, it comes with 2GB of flash, 256K of onboard and 8MB of external RAM, a 2.4″ LCD screen with touch … Computers and microcontrollers need memory to store data, either permanently or temporarily, and while this memory can come in a variety of forms it can be divided into two basic types – volatile and nonvolatile. To cut down on this requirement the ATmega multiplexes the lower 8 address lines with the 8 data lines, saving on 8 pins. He is easy to … It’s even easier with SDRAM. Being able to run linux while also doing reasonably real time IO would be nice too. Short answer: cost, power consumption, I/O flexibility, etc. I thought these old rams were static not dynamic. The RAM available in an Arduino MCU is organized as shown in the picture below (picture linked from: avr-libc). The Arduino Mega can address 64K of external memory with 8-bit data transfers. you keep coming back to post, every day about how this site is not good enough for you. Although using e.g. This is the “working” memory for your device, it holds temporary data used during program operation. An actual engineer would choose a controller with enough RAM or at least something that has an external memory interface option (some larger ATMegas or XMegas have it, then many of the small ARM micros do as well). Also, we need to use most of the Arduino pins to be soldered with SIMM RAM pins so there will be just few available extra pins for your project. Sign Up. RadxaRock $100 <- Very green board with a growing community. But I think all necessary pins are available on signal sockets of digital and analog IO. fan4tix has updated the project titled IV-25 VFD Display. all of those struggle barely reachiung ~500KB/s with most of the time spent refreshing. ATmega is pretty much deprecated for new designs. The obvious case is when the application program (the “sketch”) needs to store more data than will fit in available RAM. 200MHz parts (or slower parts?). Nonvolatile memory, as you may have guessed by now, retain… * * Anyone is free to copy, modify, publish, use, compile, sell, or * distribute this software, either in source code form or as a compiled * binary, for any purpose, commercial or non-commercial, and by any * means. We intend this dedication to be an overt act of * relinquishment in perpetuity of all present and future rights to this * software under copyright law. I should place additional schematics to clear available pin set.It uses the Atmega 2560 external RAM interface pins: - Port A (AD0-AD7) - digital pins 22-29 of MEGA;- Port C (A8-A15) - digital pins 30-37;- Port G (WR, ALE, RD) - digital pins 39,40,41; Actually A15 is not used, but in external memory use mode it can't be used as GPIO pin. This solution is present in Internet forums all time. 05/03/2017 at 15:45, x-zip-compressed - Learn how your comment data is processed. The Arduino compatible External EEPROM chips are not that fast as the Arduino’s internal EEPROM, but if you need more capacity and larger write-cycle tolerance than the 100,000 writes then the Arduino External EEPROM is the only choice you are left with. we come here to share non practacle projects because we all like reading about non practacle things. It's worth to count exactly, if it could been used at the longest external memory delays, ATmega can provide, but seems too slow to simply place it on the main data bus. Perhaps only command-line options will be needed. nobody is forcing you to read this site EVERY DAY. If I find it interesting, I'll add it here. this site is devoted to it and you will never change that. !” And about wet myself with “storing up to 16MB..” (that is a LOAD for a little AVR or PIC) but then cried a little when I saw “only 256KB can be used.”, with a bigger AVR (atmega64) you have enough pins to access all 16MByte. They are both clock edges, so actual clock rate is 1/2. Not sure why anyone want to access large memory array in a 8-bit processors. That way SD cards wouldn't need to hold the OS. fast processor – check WARNING: using this kind of RAM will put your Arduino CPU to refresh the SIMM RAM data part of the time. Is that too much to ask? Especially when you already have the Mega? Have a read of [link]http://electronicdesign.com/embedded/practical-advice-running-uclinux-cortex-m3m4[/link] for the why and how. Learn more, Using SIMMs To Add Some Extra RAM On Your Arduino UNO, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yah3ViEggxA, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cache_on_a_stick, http://micha.freeshell.org/ramdisk/index.php, http://bitsnbikes.blogspot.com/2009/05/8085-dram-interface-30-pin-simm.html, http://hackaday.com/2011/09/05/upgrading-ram-in-an-arduino-mega/, http://maniacbug.wordpress.com/2011/11/27/arduino-on-atmega1284p-4. (facepalm), @MRE exaclty thought the same thing when I saw this post :D, i have the same modules lying around and tried to interface them with an arduino mega2560, but didn’t get it working. Ordinarily this would require a lot of pins: 16 for the address lines, 8 for the data lines plus another 2 at least for the control lines. like, 512k? If these dynamic variables fill up memory and start to overwrite the stack, then the program will crash. SDRAM (without DDR prefix) come with 3.3V TTL signals, so they don’t go above 200MHz. 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